Uncreative Labs

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 594 Location: Western NC

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- The lawn mower did not jump on your foot, you were stupid enough to mow on a 60 degree slope up and down hill with wet grass.

Ouch, that one's kinda personal... (yes, it happened to me back in '92)

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Basically put, humanity is really flawed, it's just most people are too petty and ignorant to notice it.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 261 Location: WisConSin

Since we are following this line of thought 100-150 year ago when many illegal drugs were legal the percentage of the population that was addicted to drugs was about the same as now. The percent of alcoholics was lower. Gun deaths were similar but mainly relating to self defense which in reality could be any number of things. Illegal immigrants were almost non-existant and most immigrants were from europe.

It is VERY important to note that countries that do NOT allow guns in general DO have an exponentially lower rate of gun related homicide.

The reason is most professionals who have guns for a reason usually don't have to use them and constitute a small percentage of crime. Most crime is from normally law abiding citizens that get put into an unusual situation. These individuals are unlikely to circumvent laws and get guns for a singular experience. (mainly because they do not have the connections a crime sindicate would) The rage usually will manifest itself into a less deadly weapon meaning less deaths due to homicide.

And believe it or not I support our right to arm bears. I just believe we need waiting periods and need to limit weapons to those that would be used for hunting or non-automatic weapons for self defense.

I like my gun collection and I have a feeling that after 210+ years of squabbling over this issue the NRA is a non-issue as WE WILL NEVER loose our right to bear arms regardless of what party is in as they both more or less agree at least based on how they vote as opposed to their stupid rhetoric. Remember there has not been a single bill introduced to the Senate since the formation of our union calling to ban all weapons and there never will be. (they sure talk alot about ideas that are never introduced for a vote)

Basically our politicians know how to play us, religion, abortion, weapons, death penalty are all non-issues in the upper levels of government and aren't even discussed there but they definately talk about those hot button issues to get votes for beliefs they never express to the congress itself. Beliefs they never show by putting forth legislation that goes against the beliefs they claim to have. Isn't strange that all republicans are straight christians who support all form of war(even those who were known to be outspoken athiests or jews or as is recently proven gay?) And all democrats are jewish or athiest and all support revolving door justice, lower taxes for the poor and middle class and higher taxes for business?

Obviously these are just fronts for a specific demographic, its very sad to me that no one can represent a different viewpoint even one they may hold because of BS party lines. Wouldn't be nice to see a republican support lowering the taxes of the middle class more than the rich?
By the way, the republican party says the middle class is those who earn from $40000-$500,000. How many middle class folks do you know earning 500000?
Wouldn't be nice to see a Democrat support the NRA and the death penalty? Believe it or not the democrats did years ago.

All our congress really does is divy out money, land and resources (which also relate into the other side taxes). Those are the only things that are important to them and the only issues you should vote on.

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:56 am

I know that the rigtht to arm bears are grown into the american culture and will probably stay but having a gun handy really increases the chances that you will use it it in anger rather than kicking the wall or if you are not cool and used to use a gun in
a hard situation the chance that the villan will take your gun an shoot you are high,
I have seen figures on how often someone get shot with their own gun and they were high ! I have seen people carrying and how the fact that they have a gun have made them cocky and over confident. I have lived and worked in the US for 10 years (1974 -1984) so I am quite familiar with the culture so I am not just going by rumour but have personal experice I have been shot at (drive by shootings near San Jose CA. I have been threatened buy guns driving a cab and by a young coolminer boss while hitchhiking.

Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 488 Location: pennsylvanai

many years ago Ted kennedys bodyguard wanted to "check his weapons"whikle escorting sen kennedy.
remember that sen kennedy had two brothers shot.
and he is very much for gun control and siezing guns in private hands.
Yet he feels he can walk around protected by both semi-automatic and full automatic weapons
Good for him, bad for the restof us.
Guns and gun ownership is very imbededed in american culture
the person whjo tried to hold you up was carrying an Illegal gun. they SHOULD enforce Illegal Gun possession
and sometimes they even do! Somwetimes.
we have santuary cities were everything goes and local police are forbidden to enforce cwertain laws.

Gun ownership"
I read that if all the private guns in the world,and all the military guns usa and the rest of the worls, were put in a pile
and ALL the privately owned guns in the USA were put in another pile
the pile of privately owned guns in JUST the USA woiuyld eb larger

There are prople who warp statistics
ReP Cruz in philadelphia wantr to tax every gun in pa $10.00 for the first year.
the money would be used to fight crime
apparently, In philadelphia, they don't or are not able to convict or imprision the gang bangers and this is his only answer?
Maybe execute murders instead of giving them 5 years. or sending 3 time drug dealers away untill they are too old to deal grugs? NAA that would be cuel.

Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 261 Location: WisConSin

I agree with you. But by simply limiting the TYPE of weapon you can have and forcing waiting times to get weapons most crimes can be either eliminated or reduced.

Try going on a shooting rampage with a single shot weapon like one of my shotguns or rifles. You will understand why it would be nearly impossible to kill 7 people in a rampage, maybe 2 if your real lucky but probably not. By the time you got off another shot someone would have you pinned on the ground

bear wrote:

I know that the rigtht to arm bears are grown into the american culture and will probably stay but having a gun handy really increases the chances that you will use it it in anger rather than kicking the wall or if you are not cool and used to use a gun in
a hard situation the chance that the villan will take your gun an shoot you are high,
I have seen figures on how often someone get shot with their own gun and they were high ! I have seen people carrying and how the fact that they have a gun have made them cocky and over confident. I have lived and worked in the US for 10 years (1974 -1984) so I am quite familiar with the culture so I am not just going by rumour but have personal experice I have been shot at (drive by shootings near San Jose CA. I have been threatened buy guns driving a cab and by a young coolminer boss while hitchhiking.

Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 488 Location: pennsylvanai

I don't want to either burst any pretty bubbles
or sound like a radical
B U T
the original provisions for the "right to bear arms"
was the fear in the american citizens that a european type
government would take over and they would be subject to the same kind of tyranny as practiced in europe
.
In the entire rest of the worls
people are SUBJECTS of the nations rulers
remember the phrase British Subject?

here in america it is the direct opposite we grant certain powers to the state and they in turn grant certain powers to the federal government.
the original purpose of the right to bear arms was to enaple the citizens of america to overthrow any unpopular or tyrannical government

This fact has been overlooked and we are often subject to forms of tyranny. but if you read the founding fathers words and interpret our constitution bases on their thought, you will see that americans have the right and responsibility'to safegard our personal freedom.

This makes america different thqat every other nation in the history of the world.

You cannot begin to understand america by visiting it.

Admiral yamamoto said two things
1- I fear we have awaked a sleeping giant and his wrath will be terrible
2- when asked about invading the west coast he said it was impossible as "we would be met with a wall of guns"

Foolish governemt leaders in the word today do not realize how this country works
all that have to do is ask an old german or japanese.

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:33 am

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here in america it is the direct opposite we grant certain powers to the state and they in turn grant certain powers to the federal government.
the original purpose of the right to bear arms was to enaple the citizens of america to overthrow any unpopular or tyrannical government

Actually, that's kinda backwards. The federal government reserves certain rights and areas to govern, then delegates power to the state to cover anything they don't. (For example, public education is handled at the state level.) The state then delegates any extra rights to the local governments.

Now, that being said, we the people give the federal government the right to do what it does.

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:21 pm

wdegroot I do not call 10 years a visit.

Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 488 Location: pennsylvanai

ok 10 years but there are often others that spend time here and then go back, it may be family it masy be the culture
or possibly
" all the gold in california is in a bank under somebody elses name"
it may be where you stayed or lived di not suit you your ideas, ideals, or way of life, or even the climate!

There are some-few in number-- that go back home.
it's just they didn't find a comfortable spot
no blame, nothing wrong.
You just like where you are better
( despite the lack of 720k floppies)

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:27 pm

I lived in Nashville for a year and a half a really nice city my daughters cusine and his ma still lives there, I also lived in Ohio about 4 months in a little town called New Vienna (right in the middle of a triangle made by Coloumbus, Dayton and Cincinnati) mostly bailing hay Smile

there. The rest of the time I lived in Berkeley fixing cars and driving a cab also spent 4 summers in Humbolt county.